The average American will spend a third of his or her life working. What is the secret to achieving happiness because of our work and not in spite of it? How can we make a job into a vocation? David Brooks and Arthur Brooks have both studied and written about these questions, and they argue that in all kinds of work the answer is to find meaning. In this conversation, the two thought leaders discuss the elements of meaningful work, the ways to achieve it, and how we can use these insights to improve culture and policy.