This exchange has been lightly edited for clarity.

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  Douglas Lute: This is not just a bilateral issue, this is not just Russia as an attacker. We’re kind of fixated on that shiny object. But China, Iran, and North Korea also have state-led, meaningful capabilities in this realm, and America is not the only democracy that’s under assault and vulnerable …... We should appreciate that democracy, even outside the US, is under assault by a lot of bad actors.

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  Katie Harbath: To your point, everyone’s been fixated on Russia and now everyone thinks Russia is trying to infiltrate their elections. But every country really does have unique challenges to their own democracy, and different laws. Not all countries ban foreign donations in their elections. We [Facebook] ran into an interesting case with the EU elections, where we decided to not allow cross-border advertising. Some countries within the EU allow foreign funding of candidates, and so it could be very easy for a state actor to fund that candidate and then they run ads from that country into, let’s say, Germany or France.