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We eventually got at least some measure of justice with the Magnitsky Act.
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American-born businessman Bill Browder is a staunch critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin. In fact, Putin singled out Browder at a at a joint press conference with President Trump in July. Browder was the largest foreign investor in Russia until he was arrested in 2005 and expelled from the country. His corporate documents were seized by Russian authorities, he says, and the young lawyer he hired to investigate—Sergei Magnitsky—was arrested and died in prison. Seeking justice, Browder lobbied for the Magnitsky Act, which he says prevents “Russian torturers and murderers” from using America’s banking system. In this discussion with CNN’s Suzanne Malveaux, Browder talks about the Helsinki summit, the infamous Trump Tower meeting, and why he says he’s not afraid of Putin. This discussion was held on July 27th, 2018, at the Resnick Aspen Action Forum in Aspen, Colorado.
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